with all the talk about the org's policies and failures regarding child sexual abuse being publically exposed in australia, i thought that it may be a good time to highlight this... i apologise if this has already been discussed, but on the 9th of july the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales was opened.
here is some information regarding it's aims.. "about the inquiry.
the inquiry offers an unprecedented opportunity to examine the extent to which institutions and organisations in england and wales have taken seriously their responsibility to protect children.. the inquiry will investigate a wide range of institutions including:.
I think it will need a couple of real cases of abuse from the UK much like the Australian inquiry for them to get their teeth into if you want it to be featured.
Ever heard of Karen Morgan?
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636
Let us hope.. :)
mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.
children.
this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.
4 For fear of being accused of abuse—physical, verbal, or emotional—some parents shy away from correcting their children. We need not harbor such fears. The word “discipline” as used in the Bible does not imply any kind of abuse or cruelty. The Greek word for “discipline” primarily relates to instruction, education, correction and, at times, firm but loving chastisement.
17 Isaiah further compared Jehovah’s correction to another farming process—threshing. A farmer uses different threshing instruments according to the toughness of the chaff of the grain. A rod is used for tender black cumin and a staff for cumin, but a sledge or cart wheel is used for grains with tougher chaff. Still, he will not tread the harder grains to the point of crushing them. Likewise, when Jehovah wants to remove anything undesirable in his people, he varies his treatment according to existing needs and circumstances. He is never arbitrary or heavy-handed. (Isaiah 28:26-29) Some children respond to just a glance from their parents, and nothing more is needed. Others require repeated reminders, while still others may need persuasion of a stronger kind.
http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001722?q=physical+discipline&p=par#h=6
With regard to discipline, the Bible states: “The rod and reproof are what give wisdom.” (Proverbs 29:15) However, not all children need physical punishment.
http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2006801?q=physical+discipline&p=par
Would anyone like to send these quotes, along with a quote of where Jackson said they don't condone physical punishment, to:
Email us
contact@childabuseroyalcommission
.gov.au
((I can't copy from PDF's, so I'd really appreciate it if someone could find time to put them together and email them))
I strongly feel that was an actual lie. :(
not sure if anything will come of this.
but i signed it.. https://www.change.org/p/united-states-attorney-general-investigate-the-watchtower-society-of-jehovah-s-witnesses-re-child-sexual-abuse?recruiter=363165656&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink.
Petitions that affect people in general, not just one relatively minor group, probably have the best chance of getting public interest and lots of signatures..
(Here is one example I personally would support)
Maybe someone could set one up on We the People to ask the government simply to "set up an Inquiry to investigate child sexual abuse in religious institutions", something like that?
As I said, aawa may help with effective wording, I have little to offer.. Best wishes, though :)
(Oh, and you can always email them directly with a link to a petition and see what they reply. Don't give up!!)
with all the talk about the org's policies and failures regarding child sexual abuse being publically exposed in australia, i thought that it may be a good time to highlight this... i apologise if this has already been discussed, but on the 9th of july the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales was opened.
here is some information regarding it's aims.. "about the inquiry.
the inquiry offers an unprecedented opportunity to examine the extent to which institutions and organisations in england and wales have taken seriously their responsibility to protect children.. the inquiry will investigate a wide range of institutions including:.
not sure if anything will come of this.
but i signed it.. https://www.change.org/p/united-states-attorney-general-investigate-the-watchtower-society-of-jehovah-s-witnesses-re-child-sexual-abuse?recruiter=363165656&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink.
not sure if anything will come of this.
but i signed it.. https://www.change.org/p/united-states-attorney-general-investigate-the-watchtower-society-of-jehovah-s-witnesses-re-child-sexual-abuse?recruiter=363165656&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink.
I don't know where Flipper heard this 1,000 signatures thing, but it is not accurate
".. it needs 383 more to make the 1,000 needed to get submitted I believe to get a commission looking into this in the U.S."
Change.org has no power to require anyone to look at it. That's We The People.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/
Great idea by the way, this thing clearly has movement behind it..
But there are some things to be aware of. We the People site has a 100,000 target.
In order to receive a response, a petition must hit 100,000 signatures within 30 days — a number that was raised from 30,000 in January of 2013. Under the new 60-day deadline, the process "is going to look a little different," writes chief digital officer Jason Goldman. Based on the statement, that involves a new panel of people who will coordinate responses.And in a somewhat bigger change, massive petition site Change.org is now integrating with We the People, which means that signatures collected there can count towards the 100,000 total.
www.theverge.com/2015/7/28/9060959/white-house-we-the-people-petition-change-org
To cross the first threshold and be searchable within WhiteHouse.gov, a petition must reach 150 signatures within 30 days.
To cross the second threshold and require a response, a petition must reach 100,000 signatures within 30 days.
Change.org petitions have no power in themselves, they are just a platform.
If you want help to put together a well-worded (as in legally well worded, for example I personally would leave out the "mentally diseased and apostate lies stuff", this is going to the government and they don't have a clue what you're talking about.)..
I'd recommend contacting AAWA and get a We the People petition arranged.
www.aawa.co/about-aawa/contact-us/
Or at least get advice from them on how to get a petition you write media attention.
www.change.org/en-GB/guides/get-the-story-to-media
Just trying to help, I'm not having a go here.. Best of luck with your good idea ;)
the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.
*damn...my whole post disappeared.... .
the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.
..about child molesters being reappointed to positions of trust?
also, whether they would consider using 'worldly' expertise when assessing potential risk?.
why was spinks questioned as to whether the organisation should use professionals to assess whether a pedophile is fit to rejoin the jw community (or whether they are still a danger), let alone be reappointed.. and yet jackson, one of the policy makers in the org, was not even spoken to about pedophiles being judged as 'repentant' and even safe to be reappointed, by incompetent elders??.
..about child molesters being reappointed to positions of trust? Also, whether they would consider using 'worldly' expertise when assessing potential risk?
Why was Spinks questioned as to whether the organisation should use professionals to assess whether a pedophile is fit to rejoin the JW community (or whether they are still a danger), let alone be reappointed.. And yet Jackson, one of the policy makers in the org, was not even spoken to about pedophiles being judged as 'repentant' and even safe to be reappointed, by incompetent elders??
Have I missed something? (Not the first time I'm sure)..
the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.
*damn...my whole post disappeared.... .
the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.
For any lurkers..
For Jose Lopez, it took almost three decades to find some semblance of justice after he’d been molested – when he was 7 – by a predator who’d operated within a congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in San Diego.When his case against the Witnesses concluded in October, a judge awarded Lopez $13.5 million, a remarkably large sum in an era of frequent payouts in abuse cases.
The decision rested in part on the Witnesses’ refusal to hand over documents in the case, prompting the frustrated judge to ban the organization from making a defense.
The Lopez case was remarkable for another reason.
It forced the Witnesses into a rare admission:
Somewhere within the organization, there is a trove of documents with the names and whereabouts of known child sexual abusers in its U.S. congregations.
During the trial, a senior official from the Jehovah’s Witnesses headquarters, Richard Ashe, told Lopez’s attorney, Irwin Zalkin, that the organization had collected and electronically scanned internal documents on decades of known abuse cases. Ashe said that the Witnesses keep their child sexual abuse reports in a Microsoft SharePoint database but that it would take years to extract the information because it was mixed up with millions of other documents.“Honestly, Mr. Zalkin, the efforts that we’ve made up to this point is just trying to figure out how on earth we could ever do that in our filing system,” Ashe said. “You’re talking about 14,000 congregations and over 3 million documents that have been scanned and that would have to be searched. … It would take years to do that.”Zalkin called in a software expert who testified that by using simple search terms, the Witnesses could produce the information in less than two months, or maybe two days. At that point, the Watchtower simply refused to provide the database.www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-use-1st-amendment-to-hide-child-sex-abuse-claims/
well i know i've been posting a lot of topics like this lately and i'm sorry if i sound whiny or annoying.
my parents were asking me why i was so upset lately and i ended up just telling them the whole truth.
i told them i don't believe in god or the bible because i don't have any evidence of anything.
Sorry, I'll try again..
BlackWolf:
Do you personally believe in Armageddon? You said that you don't believe in the Bible God anyway (and quite rightly considering there is zero evidence of that specific beings' existence) , so logically..
You are no more likely to die at 'Armageddon' than you are from being struck by a lightning bolt from Zeus!!
The Watchtower tries to reduce intelligent adults to the mental state of a small child, afraid of a bogey monster they have only read about in a story book.. Don't let them do that to you.
If your parents want to live in fear of the bogey man, leave them to it. Don't cause confrontation.
Just be sure of what you believe personally, and keep the peace, as others have said.
There's no need to gamble your life away on a false hope..
www.thewatchtowerfiles.com/jehovahs-witnesses-and-fear/
JW's are just another wacky group of people who think they are on the doorstep of a new world (after that whole inconvenient business of nearly 8 billion people being 'wiped from the face of the earth').
If you ever start to wonder if they may have got it right, just remember that Zeus isn't going to get you.. And neither is the big Jayhoover.
Besides, as prophets go, these guys don't have the best success rate..
